13° Dalai Lama
Thupten Gyatso

In 1937, Suydam Cutting retrned to Lhasa with his wife . As the 13th Dalai Lama had died just before their arrival, the Regent offered them a couple of golden Lhasa-Apsos together with a letter which specified :

“I am sending you two dogs by way of Kalimpong. Please take great care when you receive them."

Dated 7th of the 1st Tibetan month of the Water-Bird year.

Jean Marlow

NewZealand Kennel Gazette 1964

"I never wanted the Lhasa to become popular, and I sincerely hope that those who are responsible for these dear little dogs today will remember that they should be a rugged tough little animal with strong outgoing personalities, whose ancestors came from the high mountainous region of the Himalayas and not let them become poor ineffectual little creatures breed to some impossible standard whereby they would never survive in their place of origin."

Mrs Dorothy Cohen

Propiétaire de l'élevage Karma Hamilton

At the end of the seventies, some time before she died, Mrs Cohen realized that the breed could not be restocked because, after the Chinese invasion, Tibet, had become inaccessible.She therefore declared :

"If you are lucky you can have a fac simile of Karma but there never would be another Karma"

Jigme Taring

(Tsarong Shape ‘s son-in-law, acknowledged by the l4th Dalai-Laina
as an authority in the Lhasa Apso breeddre de Tsarong Shape)

"With my experience and after seeing numbers of books on Lhasa Apsos, I have come to notice that there are two distinct types of Apsos in foreign countries. This might perhaps be due to the change in climate, food and better care they get than in their native land or could it be a hybrid of some sort is a mystery to myself. On the whole, I do appreciate and admire your work on Lhasa Apso, especially at the time when this breed is in danger of being diminished after the Chinese occupation of Tibet."

M. Jigme Taring

(Réf- The New Complete LHASA APSO – Norman and Carolyn Herbel)

Norman Herbel

AKC approved judge of Lhasa Apsos
(june 2003)

"The FCI standard for the Lhasa Apso is somewhat different than the American Kennel Club Standard, and both have had changes from the original standard. Both made serious mistakes in my view.  The American standard was changed in 1978 to eliminate the “about 1 1&Mac218;2  inch muzzle” which allowed for an increase in overall size, and the FCI standard changed the skull requirement from “narrow skull” to “moderately narrow”, both serious deviations from the original description of the correct Lhasa Apso. 

Both FCI and American standards changed the “level mouth” to elevate the less desirable undershot (also known as reverse scissors) to be the most desirable.

If future changes result from those who allow personal preference to supersede the authentic Lhasa Apso then we will see square, tall, soft-coated dogs that meet the standard, thereby, creating a new breed."

My respect will always go to those who preserve the original species instead of evolving it into a pseudo generic show ring species.

Violette Dupont

President founder of the first club
of Tibetan dogs t in France

This analysis about the drifts of the Lhasa-Apsos by Mr. Norman Herbel reminded me of a letter Mademoiselle Dupont wrote to me 25 years ago when I was preparing the
first booklet in French about the Lhasa Apso.

The parallelism between the two judgments is such that I can’t prevent myself from publishing it.


Dear friend,

I like very much your introduction …straight into the topic. I find it very lively. The details about the Tibetan Mastiffs and the historic references are good. Then the arrival in Europe of the first Tibetans; It is clear and precise. The lecture is easy and pleasant. Then the need to separate the breeds.

The publication of the frist standard in 1935 is very, very important. Did you compared it with Dr Lescure’s thesis . This standard appeared again in the news paper “Boulogne s/ Mer” in 1960 given by Mrs Bailey when she came in France to ask Colonel Nicole of the C. Canine, to obtain F.C.I.’s official recognition of the breed and the translation of its standard.

Regarding the second chapter of your booklet you could not have done better for the historic part but to reproduce page 16 and 17 of Dr Lescure thesis.

After the publication of Mrs Bailey article with a great ability you mention the five points to take into consideration and that French breeders should apply, this is what we are all ready doing and we are determined to go on with tenacity …. inspite of the arrival in Europe of a type of dog which is not in accordance with the English standard.

The size in inches.
The length of the nose.
without not mentioning the importance of the dog.

These dogs are very spectacular in the rings but do not match the type selected by Mrs Bayley. Many times she asked us to maintain and preserve the genuine type without discouragement.

The 8.4.1963 standard was much better to the one of 10.10.1967. It lengthened the noise 3,8,
it deleted = ”overbite” which is a big fault=

The 1973 standard corrected these errors but regarding the dentition “complete desired” it omits the number of six incisors.

Dear friend, I thank you so much for devoting so much time to save our origine type Lhasas.